If you saw the 20/20 program, the question of where the bodies came from is NOT with Body WORLDS but with Body WORKS. Van Hagen has paperwork for his bodies showing who they are and that they donated willingly. He does not get bodies from China. The Body WORKS company is a United States company that is purchasing bodies already dissected from China with no proof whatsoever of who the bodies and where they came from. I have been to Body Worlds in Chicago and am taking a college group of A&P students to see it in Milwaukee. It is an extraordinary exhibit. If you have done cadaver dissection, you will be amazed at the level of detail in these dissections. Kerrie Kerrie L. Hoar, M.S. Department of Biology University of Wisconsin -- La Crosse 341 Cowley Hall La Crosse, WI 54601 (608) 785-6459 http://www.uwlax.edu/biology/faculty/Hoar/kerrie_hoar.htm "There is little that separates humans from other sentient beings -- we all feel pain, we all find joy, we all deeply crave to be alive and live freely, and we all share this planet together." Ghandi -----Original Message----- From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of David Evans Sent: Mon 4/7/2008 8:20 AM To: 'HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: RE: [HAPS-L] Bodies The Exhibition I'm not sure about the question: do you mean dead bodies in general or THESE dead bodies? As far as viewing the dead in general: These things are tough to deal with for sure. Here is an answer as to why it is so difficult: People often feel uncomfortable when confronted with the mortality of others since they identify with their own inevitable destiny. Naturally, such a feeling is illogical (but clearly understandable) since it does not matter how one feels about death, it is still going to happen anyway. As we know from our discussion last week, this discomfort about death and dying is transferred to an actual contact taboo in some societies. This view is not necessarily that of Penn College or of HAPS. From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gary Heisermann Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 7:56 PM To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Gary Heisermann Subject: Re: [HAPS-L] Bodies The Exhibition Where does the feeling come from? ... maybe from somewhere in the limbic system? The body displays ARE great, and the concerns about where the bodies came from will likely never be answered to most people's satisfaction [given the Chinese government's reputation for ... well, for all sorts of things]. I saw Body Worlds in Boston on labor day of 2006. It was interesting to see and hear the reactions of lots of different people, and to hear various types and levels of explanations being given to friends and family members by people who were medical or technical students and workers in the Boston area. Gary Heisermann, Ph.D. Department of Biology Salem State College On Apr 4, 2008, at 7:23 PM, Wayne Erickson wrote: We took A&P, massage therapy, medical assisting, and physical therapy assisting students on a field trip to the Body Worlds exhibit in Vancouver, BC. It was a great trip. I have not seen the 20-20 presentation but certainly have read articles and have heard a number of people express their concerns. We had discussions about the sources of the bodies in our classes prior to and after visiting the exhibits. As my students pointed out, it was interesting that all the bodies (except some of the pathological exhibits) appeared to be of younger, fit appearing, Asian males and females. It is also interesting to visit the Body Worlds web site (http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/body_donation.html) and read their comments about body donation. It was also very interesting to watch and eavesdrop on many grade school students from Canada (I talked with some of them without asking probing "morality" questions which I thought would be inappropriate) going through the exhibit with their work sheets, having discussions, and obviously being very engaged in learning. So...the Body Worlds exhibit was a good experience for my studentsand me. I, my wife and son later went through the exhibit. It was better the second time. I, my family, and my sons all had (and I continue to have) misgivings about the sources of the bodies. But some of my students remarked, if those were bodies of executed prisoners, maybe they or their families did indeed very willingly donate their bodies for scientific use. And maybe the families of those prisoners did received remuneration for the donation and maybe that isn't such a bad thing. But all of that is probably a discussion and argument that may never be ended. Would I go again. In a heart beat, despite that nagging little feeling in the pit of my stomach. Which brings up another subject. Where does that feeling come from? M. Wayne Erickson, DVM Instructor and Chair Science Department Whatcom Community College -----Original Message----- From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David A Woodman Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: [HAPS-L] Bodies The Exhibition One of my colleagues who saw this exhibition in KC remarked at the obvious lack of disease or trauma in what appeared to be individuals in the prime of their life. Interpret this as you want. David A. 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