RE: Survey on prerequisites vs. DWF rate [HAPP-L]

[chne@xxxxxxxxxxx]

How far back we should go is an interesting question.  My school used to
require biology and chemistry.  Now, it doesn't.  I have all of my student
grade records (individual exam scores, and attendance, etc.) since I
started teaching in 1974.  Of course I have taught other classes and only
taught A&P since 1986 or so.  How much info do you want?

Charlene

Charlene L. Newby
Lakeshore Technical College
Cleveland, WI 53015
Tel: 920.693.1622
E-mail: charlene.newby@xxxxxxxxxxx



                                                                          
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     Carl Shuster: The reason I thought "state" and "country" might be a
     good idea is because--believe it or not--there are administrators out
     there that believe that only institutions within their own state are
     pertinent while comparing these sorts of data.  However, whatever
     you'all think is best...... :)

     Margaret Weck: I had, in fact, temporarily forgotten what other
     "audiences" this information might be used to persuade.  Now that you
     mention it, I do recall this attitude on the part of some
     administrators in some publicly funded institutions.
     Margaret W.

Ditto.

Charlene Newby: The form looks easy enough for us to fill out. But I have
one question. Some of my students have taken biology or chemistry
previously and some have not. How should that be handled?

I think the issue is whether the institution requires such prerequisites.
Even if they are not required, some students are bound to have taken such
courses -- as is the case with most of mine. As I said earlier, we have no
prerequisites, but polls of my classes show that most of my students have
taken college biology or chemistry anyway because they themselves have
perceived that A&P is hard to pass without it.

Judy Gibber:  Ken, I thought I'd save you the time of entering the data, so
that now you'd have time to analyze it and write it up. ;)

Okay, I will put that on my list of things to do, and I should be able to
get around to it in 2009 or so.

Judy: How do people have these numbers? Do you keep records of %W, %F, or
is it easier to just enter the actual number of students? Do you want to
enter % or grades from this past year, or an average over several years?

I have been keeping an ongoing Excel spreadsheet for several years. At the
end of each semester, I enter the initial enrollment, the number of As, Bs,
Cs, Ds, Fs, and Ws, the mean grade (on a 100-point scale), and have Excel
compute the percent DFW. I would enter actual numbers totalled over the
period of my record keeping (7 years I think since our conversion to
semesters), unless we decide on some other form such as percents or just
the most recent completed year.

Ken


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