RE: [HAPS-L] A&P dual enrollment

["SMITH, JANICE" <JANICE.SMITH@xxxxxxxx>]

Some advanced high school students can handle the curriculum. Those not capable can probably be screened out by some placement test.  TX requires all students entering college to have certain high school exit test or SAT or ACT scores, or they must take the state entrance exam. Students with poor scores must take developmental classes.  We don't let anyone required to take remediation take dual credit courses. 

There are other problems to consider. Our college offers a variety of dual credit courses and we've seen the following problems:

administrators and coaches coercing dual credit teachers to inflate grades for certain students who aren't passing
parents demanding extra credit and / or softer curricula
inadequate time devoted to real labs vs. coloring book or other labs

If the students take the course on the college campus, there are fewer of these, but the parent problem still persists. In fact, we are seeing more and more parents of true college age students that just won't let their kids fly on their own. Very annoying. Thank goodness for FERPA!

Janice Yoder Smith

-----Original Message-----
From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Peter Zao
Sent: Thu 1/5/2006 12:03 PM
To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [HAPS-L] A&P dual enrollment

Is there a HAPS position on dual enrollment (high school students
enrolled in college classes)?  High schools in our area would like to
teach A&P at the high schools and award those high school students
college credit for taking A&P.  

My personal opinion is that high school students have not developed the
neural connections necessary to perform well in second-year science
(unless of course the content is watered down to the high school level).
I've had high school students attempt A&P and rarely are they
successful. 

Peter Zao
Biology Department
North Idaho College
Coeur d'Alene, ID  83814
(208).769.3473
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