RE: [HAPS-L] A&P dual enrollment

["Michael T. Griffin" <mike.griffin@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Seeking clarification...
By dual credit A&P courses, we're talking about those generally 
taught at the collegiate level in which students earn simultaneous 
college credit (as are their "older" college age counterparts in the 
classroom do) at the college campus, right? Then, upon successful 
completion  they are also then awarded the high school credit and the 
grade earned?

It seems to me that part of the problem may go to the level of 
advising students in high school considering this option receive. Are 
there any kinds of screening done by high school counselors or 
screening devices used in the high schools in place to avoid placing 
poorly prepared / less committed students in dual credit courses? If 
the objective is to offer highly motivated and perhaps exceptional 
students with the opportunity to gain a head-start toward earning 
college credit, I would think that there is someone in the school 
knowledgeable of the demands a college level course makes. If not 
then I would hope the high school has a contact on the college campus 
whom the student can talk to for a reasonable assessment. Is it 
typical that any high school student who wants to may enroll in dual 
credit courses? What role do the standard entry level examinations 
(SAT, ACT, etc.) play here?



At 10:26 AM 1/6/2006, you wrote:
> Before I read anyone else's reply, I would agree with you - every
> semester I have students who say that got an A in hs A&P and are not
> passing my class.  I don't think hs courses get the job done, and do not
> merit college credit.  Doesn't mean they couldn't do so, just that in my
> experience they do not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Peter Zao
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:03 PM
> To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [HAPS-L] A&P dual enrollment
>
> Is there a HAPS position on dual enrollment (high school students
> enrolled in college classes)?  High schools in our area would like to
> teach A&P at the high schools and award those high school students
> college credit for taking A&P.
>
> My personal opinion is that high school students have not developed the
> neural connections necessary to perform well in second-year science
> (unless of course the content is watered down to the high school level).
>  I've had high school students attempt A&P and rarely are they
> successful.
>
> Peter Zao
> Biology Department
> North Idaho College
> Coeur d'Alene, ID  83814
> (208).769.3473
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Michael Griffin, M.S.
Angelo State University
Instructor of Biology
Human Physiology Course Coordinator
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