Re: [HAPS-L] credit for labs

["Donna G White" <DGWhite@xxxxxxxxx>]

I wonder if the idea that lab is somehow worth fewer contact hours than
a lecture come from the earliest days of a "lab" when students were
independently dissecting or experimenting outside of a classroom
situation, therefore not utilizing much teaching time, or where the
professor just oversaw the "lab instructors", which even today, could be
just very advanced students (at some institutions, not all, of course). 
Would most of us agree that teaching a lab is more taxing on our
energies, and requires as much, and usually MORE grading than teaching a
lecture?  

At Collin County Community College in Plano, TX  (about 20 minutes
north of Dallas), we get 0.8 contact hours for lab.....a three-hour lab
counts as 2.4 contact hours.  (Which is ludicrous, in my view, but far
better than I got at Holmes Community College in central Mississippi,
where I got ZERO contact hours for teaching a 3-hour lab.  And that's
not all that uncommon.....).    Since we teach 2 2-hour labs per week
for our A&P classes (4 total hours), our labs are worth 3.2 hours, or
more than a lecture.

I don't know what we can do about this except stay vocal about the
injustice and irrationality of the policies, but maybe we should be
addressing this from a "today's lab is NOT what it used to be"
perspective.   For those of you who hav been successful in getting a 1:1
policy, good for you!  (Be very thankful you don't live in a
right-to-work state....)  I just think it's a shame that you had to
justify it by citing all the prep, ordering, and other assorted duties
you perform, since that should be compensated IN ADDITION TO what goes
on in the actual classroom.

Sorry.  Had to get that off my chest....
Donna

Donna White
Professor of Biology
Marketing Manager, Human Anatomy and Physiology Society
972-881-5889   phone
972-881-5619  fax

> > > charlene.newby@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 1/31/2006 6:19 PM >>>
We get the same credit for lab as we do for lecture.  Of course, we do
not
have lab assistants so we have to set up our own labs.  That was the
rationale.

Charlene


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Johanna Kruckeberg" <JKRUCKE@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "<" <HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:38 PM
Subject: [HAPS-L] credit for labs


Hi, all--it's contract negotiation time of year here, and we are once
again
trying to get 1 for 1 credit for lab instruction.  Can anyone give me
any
encouraging examples to use as we negotiate?  Didn't someone request
info on
this topic last year?  If there is a body of info compiled out there I
sure
would appreciate receiving it.   Thanks for your help--Johanna

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