Exactly right with "ventral" as toward the belly, which is what I meant to say, not anterior. ________________________________ From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Gary Heisermann Sent: Sun 9/9/2007 6:50 AM To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Gary Heisermann Subject: Re: [HAPS-L] Never assume... Tracy and Jason, Yes, there are many coronal planes, just as there are many transverse planes and many saggital planes [but of course only one medial plane]. But if we are speaking of any particular coronal [aka frontal] plane, then that plane does indeed separate the body into two portions, a more anterior portion and a more posterior portion. So, for example there is a coronal plane that would separate the vertebral column and the dorsal integument - and the vertebral column would be anterior [and also ventral] to that plane. Also Jason - ventral is "toward the belly" in all species, but only in an upright species would anterior match it. I always think of "forward" or "in front of" as the best way of explaining anterior. In a horse ventral and anterior do not go together - instead ventral and inferior are in the same direction. Cheers, Gary Heisermann, Ph.D. Department of Biology Salem State College On Sep 9, 2007, at 1:35 AM, Lapres, Jason H wrote: I teach anterior and ventral as "toward the belly". That way it doesn't matter if the subject is human or otherwise. Jason LaPres ________________________________ From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Rawding, Robert S Sent: Sat 9/8/2007 8:28 PM To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx; HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [HAPS-L] Never assume... HAPSters, Why not just use the body in the anatomical position, and state that everything forward of a coronal (frontal) plane is anterior? I always make them smile with that plane when I then subdivide the body into into "frontal" and "backal". (I'm not throwing Fido into the mix, because s/he is a quadrupedal non-human). There has to be a reference point for any anatomical term; otherwise each makes no sense. Bob Robert S. Rawding, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Biology Gannon University 109 University Square Erie, PA 16541 Phone: (814) 871-5872 FAX: (814) 871-5757 ________________________________ From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Roberta Meehan Sent: Sat 9/8/07 4:18 PM To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [HAPS-L] Never assume... I am not totally convinced there is an answer to: "Define the term anterior." We have a number of terms in biology that can only be defined by their function or their negation or their characteristics or some such other non-definition. Anterior seems to be one of those words. My personal opinion is that words such as anterior should be tested for in ways other than by asking for a definition. I would test for an understanding of anterior with a question asking for location, synonym, characteristic, relationship to, or other similar identifying features. Just my not so humble opinion. Roberta M Meehan 623.388.6627 (h) 970.518.0325 (c) biology@xxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: charlene.newby@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [HAPS-L] Never assume... I would not accept the definition. If I had asked, "Give me another name for anterior." then ventral would be okay - and not really because they are not the same thing. But I would accept that. If I said, "Define anterior." then I would expect a definition, not a synonym. Of course I have gone over all definitions with students during the preceeding classes so they know exactly for what type of answer I am looking. Otherwise, it is a guessing game. When I ask for a definition, I also expect a complete sentence so that I know what they are talking about. It should start, "Anterior is ....." or "Anterior means ......" or whatever is suitable. I do not accept just a phrase or word because it does not tell me if the person knows or not. It is guessing on both of our parts. They hate it at first, but after a couple of months they appreciate what I am trying to accomplish - understanding what they mean. Of course, that means I have to teach them that a lot of words strung together is not necessarily a sentence. Charlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Lapres, Jason H <mailto:Jason.H.Lapres@xxxxxxxxxx> To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: RE: [HAPS-L] Never assume... Ken et al. How about this answer to "Define the term anterior." "Anterior is the same as ventral. Anterior is opposite of posterior, which is the same a dorsal." I have a hard time with this because what they say is actually true, albeit odd. I am still confused as to whether or not they answered the questions. Yes anterior is the same as ventral and that would be a great answer if I could assume that they actually know the definition of ventral. I continue to laugh... Jason LaPres Associate Professor of Biology Human Anatomy and Physiology North Harris College 2700 WW Thorne Winship 210E Houston Texas 77090 281-618-7132 ============== To manage subscription,send email from the subscription address to imailsrv@xxxxxxxxxxx and in MESSAGE (1) To unsubscribe from HAPS-L, put : unsubscribe HAPS-L, (2)To subscribe from a different address, put : subscribe HAPS-L your_full_name ============== <winmail.dat>
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