[HAPS-L] short bone???

Hello HAPsters:

In looking at a website (under "What is Forensic Osteology?") I noted the below, which I have copied below in blue.

My studies tell me that metacarpals and metatarsals are long bones, with the classic long, curved axes, etc. (although small) and that the clavicles are unusual long bones.

What do you say/tell??

Thanks, Marilyn S.

Short Bones

Similarly, short bones have tubular shafts and articular surfaces at each end but are much smaller. The short bones include:

· All metacarpals

· All Phalanges (hands)

· All metatarsals

· All Phalanges (feet)

· Clavicle (paired) copied:

Odd.

I'm curious how they classify carpals and tarsals.

Jason LaPres

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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:34 AM
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WOW -- that's news to me! My studies agree with your studies.

I just checked what Elaine Marieb says. We are in agreement with her too -- metacarpals, metatarsals, phalanges are all long bones. I have always classified the clavicle as a long bone -- though I never ask that on a test! -- but I could handle someone wanting to call it an irregular bone.

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Marilyn,

If you look at the ossification patterns for long bones vs.. short bones all of the bones listed below are long bones. The carpals, tarsals (and also facial bones) will continue to grow in adulthood in the presence of excess GH (acromegaly).

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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:34 AM
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Subject: [HAPS-L] short bone???

Hello HAPsters:

In looking at a website (under "What is Forensic Osteology?") I noted the below, which I have copied below in blue.

My studies tell me that metacarpals and metatarsals are long bones, with the classic long, curved axes, etc. (although small) and that the clavicles are unusual long bones.

What do you say/tell??

Thanks, Marilyn S.

Short Bones

Similarly, short bones have tubular shafts and articular surfaces at each end but are much smaller. The short bones include:

· All metacarpals

· All Phalanges (hands)

· All metatarsals

· All Phalanges (feet)

· Clavicle (paired) copied:

As far as I know, metacarpals and metatarsals have always been classified as long bones.

Frank Castella, DC

Instructor of Biological Science

BCTHS - Teterboro, NJ

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From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Shaver, Marilyn L (Ashland)
Sent: Fri 2/9/2007 11:34 AM
To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [HAPS-L] short bone???

Hello HAPsters:

In looking at a website (under "What is Forensic Osteology?") I noted the below, which I have copied below in blue.

My studies tell me that metacarpals and metatarsals are long bones, with the classic long, curved axes, etc. (although small) and that the clavicles are unusual long bones.

What do you say/tell??

Thanks, Marilyn S.

Short Bones

Similarly, short bones have tubular shafts and articular surfaces at each end but are much smaller. The short bones include:

· All metacarpals

· All Phalanges (hands)

· All metatarsals

· All Phalanges (feet)

· Clavicle (paired) copied:

The description below is correct. A long bone is a bone that (a) is longer than it is wide, (b) has expanded articulating ends, and (c) a hollow, central marrow cavity. A short bone is a bone that is (a) approximately equal in length and width (box-like in appearance), (b) covered externally with compact bone and has a trabecular (cancellous) interior (such as the carpal bones of the wrist, and the tarsal bones of the ankle.

Bob

On Feb, 09 2007, , at 10:34, Shaver, Marilyn L ((Ashland)) wrote:

Hello HAPsters:

In looking at a website (under "What is Forensic Osteology?") I noted the below, which I have copied below in blue.
My studies tell me that metacarpals and metatarsals are long bones, with the classic long, curved axes, etc. (although small) and that the clavicles are unusual long bones.
What do you say/tell??

Thanks, Marilyn S.
Short Bones
Similarly, short bones have tubular shafts and articular surfaces at each end but are much smaller. The short bones include:
· All metacarpals
· All Phalanges (hands)
· All metatarsals
· All Phalanges (feet)
· Clavicle (paired) copied:

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P.S. Based on Bob's definition/description, which agrees overall with mine, do all long bones have to have a marrow cavity to be considered long???

I didn't think that phalanges had such a feature.

Thanks, Marilyn S.

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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:33 PM
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Hello HAPsters:

In looking at a website (under "What is Forensic Osteology?") I noted the below, which I have copied below in blue.

My studies tell me that metacarpals and metatarsals are long bones, with the classic long, curved axes, etc. (although small) and that the clavicles are unusual long bones.

Gray's Anatomy considers metacarpals, metatarsals, and phalanges to be long bones, and the carpal and tarsal bones to be short bones. But then it sniffs at the whole schematic of long, short, flat, and irregular bones with a mildly disdainful sentence, "This time-honoured classification, however, has no great merit."

Ken

Short Bones

Similarly, short bones have tubular shafts and articular surfaces at each end but are much smaller. The short bones include:

· All metacarpals

· All Phalanges (hands)

· All metatarsals

· All Phalanges (feet)

· Clavicle (paired) copied:

I agree with Gray's--I just mention the classification in passing. I've only seen comparative anatomists, and the like, including me, use the long bone category.

"Irregular bones"--a stroke of genius ;)

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