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Re: [HAPS-L] online classes - was Bio lab kits
John, section numbers do not appear on transcripts. Our Registrar's Office
and I spend a lot of time trying to ferret out courses considered for
transfer. I agree that course delivery should be clear - use of a different
course number, for example. If the course has academic rigor, why not do
it? If there is resistance to do so for the reason given in a follow-up
response in this thread, then it apparently needs to be done.
Sandra K. Stewart, Chair
Life Science Department
Vincennes University
1002 N. First Street
Vincennes, Indiana 47591
sstewart@xxxxxxxx
812.888.4373
FAX: 812.888.4540
"John Moore"
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At our college, day classes have a section code of 001, 002, etc.
Evening classes are 050, 051, etc. Online and hybrid classes stand out
with codes like 940. We have already had our students turned down at
other colleges because of online/hybrid courses that were detected via
transcripts.
jm
John Moore
Professor - Anatomy, Pathophysiology, Forensics
Natural Sciences Department
Parkland College
2400 W. Bradley Ave.
Champaign, IL., 61821
(217) 373-3732
>>> "David Evans" <devans@xxxxxxx> 2/22/2007 11:43 AM >>>
You put your finger on it John. There is a code by which one could
identify a distance course from us but I believe an outsider would
have
to chew through a lot of documentation to uncover this on any
transcript.
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From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:33 PM
To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [HAPS-L] Bio lab kits
Dave
Our administration and our PA state system in general are also pushing
for broad acceptance of online coursework, even to replace labs. The
PACyberschools are one such initiative. One of our system universities
has replaced biology and is working on replacing chemistry labs,
citing
the cost savings by going virutal.
Our Biology faculty attempted to insert wording to block acceptance
or
transfer of credits of "virtual labs", but were told that very few
high
schools or colleges actually mark the transcript to indicate that labs
were taken online. Therefore, it would be unfair to students whose
credits were not accepted just because their college actually listed
the
courses as online labs, while other online labs were transferred
undetetected into the college.
How do you avoid the transfer problem when most universities do not
practice full disclosure of actual delivery methods?
How did you convince your administration to allow you not to accept
such
courses?
We are now trying to have any online courses from our university
listed
as such, but of course, the admin believes that this might hurt the
student's ability to transfer our courses.
One would hope that truth in advertizing would apply to all
univeristies, but maybe universities of quality must lead the way,
listing all delivery methods in the transcript, and announcing their
policies on acceptance of online laboratories.
John Smith
East Stroudsburg University
On 2/22/07 8:08 AM, "David Evans" <devans@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> For whatever it's worth: PCT so far has resisted accepting A&P
> transfer credit when we know the lab is "on-line."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of dario-beckerj
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:30 PM
> To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [HAPS-L] Bio lab kits
>
> Hello Hapsters,
>
> Do any of you who are teaching A&P online or as a hybrid course know
> anything or have used the At Home Sciences, Inc. Bio kits? I have a
> colleague who said folks at Colorado Community Colleges Online are
> using these kits and students do not need to set foot on campus to
> complete a 2-semester A&P. I am under the gun to teach A&P Online and
> so far I have resisted giving up the wet lab experience.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Juville Dario-Becker
> Central Virginia Community College
> 3506 Wards Rd.,
> Lynchburg, VA 24502
> 434-832-7719
>
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