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A few years ago I was on a committee dealing with
our own University online courses. I recall discussion regarding a
mechnism to identify the online courses, but we were told that if it is
a USD course, the rigor should be the same whether it was online or in
the classroom, so we were not to add such a designation. The faculty
on the committee all agreed that there is a component of the college
experience that is lost without the face-to-face interaction (among
students as well as student-faculty), but it seems impossible to fight
the market for online courses/education. I did a summer physiology course once where we were all linked via TV and computer. The students did the labs at home and were encouraged to use "webct" to work on them as a group, but I still think there was a loss without the in-person group interaction. of The SStewart@xxxxxxxx wrote: John, section numbers do not appear on transcripts. Our Registrar's Office and I spend a lot of time trying to ferret out courses considered for transfer. I agree that course delivery should be clear - use of a different course number, for example. If the course has academic rigor, why not do it? If there is resistance to do so for the reason given in a follow-up response in this thread, then it apparently needs to be done. Sandra K. Stewart, Chair Life Science Department Vincennes University 1002 N. First Street Vincennes, Indiana 47591 sstewart@xxxxxxxx 812.888.4373 FAX: 812.888.4540 "John Moore" <JMoore@parkland. edu> To Sent by: <HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx> HAPS-L-owner@haps cc web.org Subject [HAPS-L] online classes - was Bio 02/22/2007 11:54 lab kits AM Please respond to HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxx g At our college, day classes have a section code of 001, 002, etc. Evening classes are 050, 051, etc. Online and hybrid classes stand out with codes like 940. We have already had our students turned down at other colleges because of online/hybrid courses that were detected via transcripts. jm John Moore Professor - Anatomy, Pathophysiology, Forensics Natural Sciences Department Parkland College 2400 W. Bradley Ave. Champaign, IL., 61821 (217) 373-3732"David Evans" <devans@xxxxxxx> 2/22/2007 11:43 AM >>>You put your finger on it John. There is a code by which one could identify a distance course from us but I believe an outsider would have to chew through a lot of documentation to uncover this on any transcript. -----Original Message----- From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Smith Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:33 PM To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [HAPS-L] Bio lab kits Dave Our administration and our PA state system in general are also pushing for broad acceptance of online coursework, even to replace labs. The PACyberschools are one such initiative. One of our system universities has replaced biology and is working on replacing chemistry labs, citing the cost savings by going virutal. Our Biology faculty attempted to insert wording to block acceptance or transfer of credits of "virtual labs", but were told that very few high schools or colleges actually mark the transcript to indicate that labs were taken online. Therefore, it would be unfair to students whose credits were not accepted just because their college actually listed the courses as online labs, while other online labs were transferred undetetected into the college. How do you avoid the transfer problem when most universities do not practice full disclosure of actual delivery methods? How did you convince your administration to allow you not to accept such courses? We are now trying to have any online courses from our university listed as such, but of course, the admin believes that this might hurt the student's ability to transfer our courses. One would hope that truth in advertizing would apply to all univeristies, but maybe universities of quality must lead the way, listing all delivery methods in the transcript, and announcing their policies on acceptance of online laboratories. John Smith East Stroudsburg University On 2/22/07 8:08 AM, "David Evans" <devans@xxxxxxx> wrote:For whatever it's worth: PCT so far has resisted accepting A&P transfer credit when we know the lab is "on-line." -----Original Message----- From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of dario-beckerj Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:30 PM To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [HAPS-L] Bio lab kits Hello Hapsters, Do any of you who are teaching A&P online or as a hybrid course know |