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Re: [HAPS-L] online classes - was Bio lab kits
Title: Re: [HAPS-L] online classes - was Bio lab kits
Maureen
You are correct. It seems impossible to fight the market for online courses/education, but we an resist and direct the implementation. As I said to Sandra, I would suggest that HAPS be one of the drivers that assure rigor exists in online courses, rather than the parties at individual departments and universities who have the vested interest in marketing courses. Accreditation, with defined standards makes sense, but only if nationwide studies reveal no difference between delivery modes for labs.
Our curriculum committee is often asked to accept online coursework, from faculty who insist they know how to deliver using this method, but the political realities often put pressure on curriculum committees to approve coursework from minimally trained faculty and universities often insist that the necessary support is there, when it is not. Remember the business motto of univerisities....Ready, fire, aim. Marketing too often beats the quality arguments from within the university, but losing accreditation from a national agency like HAPS can turn the argument.
John Smith
East Stroudsburg University
On 2/22/07 2:49 PM, "Maureen Burton" <Maureen.Burton@xxxxxxx> wrote:
A few years ago I was on a committee dealing with our own University online courses. I recall discussion regarding a mechnism to identify the online courses, but we were told that if it is a USD course, the rigor should be the same whether it was online or in the classroom, so we were not to add such a designation. The faculty on the committee all agreed that there is a component of the college experience that is lost without the face-to-face interaction (among students as well as student-faculty), but it seems impossible to fight the market for online courses/education.
I did a summer physiology course once where we were all linked via TV and computer. The students did the labs at home and were encouraged to use "webct" to work on them as a group, but I still think there was a loss without the in-person group interaction.
address card Maureen Burton, Ph.D. Instructor, Basic Biomedical Sciences Sanford School of Medicine
of The University of South Dakota 134 Julian Hall 605-677-5172 mburton@xxxxxxx <mailto:mburton@xxxxxxx>
SStewart@xxxxxxxx wrote:
John, section numbers do not appear on transcripts. Our Registrar's Office
and I spend a lot of time trying to ferret out courses considered for
transfer. I agree that course delivery should be clear - use of a different
course number, for example. If the course has academic rigor, why not do
it? If there is resistance to do so for the reason given in a follow-up
response in this thread, then it apparently needs to be done.
Sandra K. Stewart, Chair
Life Science Department
Vincennes University
1002 N. First Street
Vincennes, Indiana 47591
sstewart@xxxxxxxx
812.888.4373
FAX: 812.888.4540
"John Moore"
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At our college, day classes have a section code of 001, 002, etc.
Evening classes are 050, 051, etc. Online and hybrid classes stand out
with codes like 940. We have already had our students turned down at
other colleges because of online/hybrid courses that were detected via
transcripts.
jm
John Moore
Professor - Anatomy, Pathophysiology, Forensics
Natural Sciences Department
Parkland College
2400 W. Bradley Ave.
Champaign, IL., 61821
(217) 373-3732
"David Evans" <devans@xxxxxxx> <mailto:devans@xxxxxxx> 2/22/2007 11:43 AM >>>
You put your finger on it John. There is a code by which one could
identify a distance course from us but I believe an outsider would
have
to chew through a lot of documentation to uncover this on any
transcript.
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [HAPS-L] Bio lab kits
Dave
Our administration and our PA state system in general are also pushing
for broad acceptance of online coursework, even to replace labs. The
PACyberschools are one such initiative. One of our system universities
has replaced biology and is working on replacing chemistry labs,
citing
the cost savings by going virutal.
Our Biology faculty attempted to insert wording to block acceptance
or
transfer of credits of "virtual labs", but were told that very few
high
schools or colleges actually mark the transcript to indicate that labs
were taken online. Therefore, it would be unfair to students whose
credits were not accepted just because their college actually listed
the
courses as online labs, while other online labs were transferred
undetetected into the college.
How do you avoid the transfer problem when most universities do not
practice full disclosure of actual delivery methods?
How did you convince your administration to allow you not to accept
such
courses?
We are now trying to have any online courses from our university
listed
as such, but of course, the admin believes that this might hurt the
student's ability to transfer our courses.
One would hope that truth in advertizing would apply to all
univeristies, but maybe universities of quality must lead the way,
listing all delivery methods in the transcript, and announcing their
policies on acceptance of online laboratories.
John Smith
East Stroudsburg University
On 2/22/07 8:08 AM, "David Evans" <devans@xxxxxxx> <mailto:devans@xxxxxxx> wrote:
For whatever it's worth: PCT so far has resisted accepting A&P
transfer credit when we know the lab is "on-line."
-----Original Message-----
From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of dario-beckerj
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:30 PM
To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [HAPS-L] Bio lab kits
Hello Hapsters,
Do any of you who are teaching A&P online or as a hybrid course know
anything or have used the At Home Sciences, Inc. Bio kits? I have a
colleague who said folks at Colorado Community Colleges Online are
using these kits and students do not need to set foot on campus to
complete a 2-semester A&P. I am under the gun to teach A&P Online and
so far I have resisted giving up the wet lab experience.
Thanks.
Juville Dario-Becker
Central Virginia Community College
3506 Wards Rd.,
Lynchburg, VA 24502
434-832-7719
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