RE: [HAPS-L] Dissection Alternatives

["David Evans" <devans@xxxxxxx>]

For what it's worth: we have tried using minks but there are really two
reasons why this was not a success: the state of preservation reeked and
those influenced by PETA are hardly likely to accept a mink instead of a
cat. 

-----Original Message-----
From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Zanetti, Nina
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:02 PM
To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [HAPS-L] Dissection Alternatives

Just once, I had a student who was vehemently opposed to dissecting.
Since fetal pig dissection was a major part of the lab, and she was
required to take the course for her major,  I made the following
accommodations for her:
1- I allowed her to do her own studying from a video of a fetal pig
dissection.  She seemed delighted about this.
2- I told her that she was required to take the same lab practical as
everyone else, which meant that she'd have to LOOK AT dissected fetal
pigs, with structures to identify, just for the practical. She initially
agreed to this.
3- One day before the lab practical, she approached me, saying that she
could not even LOOK at the dissected pigs, and was willing to take a "0"
on the practical, "if I insisted".  However, I asked for some time to
think this over, and managed to come up with some photographs (not very
good) that showed most of the structures that were to be identified.  I
told this student that I'd place these micrographs, with structures
marked , next to each pig.  That way she could, at the time, chose to
look at either the pig or the photo (and so could everyone else, so she
was still technically taking the same exam as the entire class).

Note: the student failed the lab practical. I think that she was
surprised that I'd have come up with a way that she could take it (and
was hoping that I'd just give her a passing grade for not taking it),
and by that time had written off the entire exercise as something she
wasn't going to bother with.

Hope this helps.
Nina

-----Original Message-----
From: HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:HAPS-L-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Amy Troyer
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:01 PM
To: HAPS-L@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [HAPS-L] Dissection Alternatives

I'm curious as to how you handle student who are "philosophically"
against
animal dissection in you A&P class.

We do not have cadaver lab, but do various dissections (rat, sheep
brain, fetal pig, pig heart etc.).  In the 5 years I've been teaching I
haven't had a student refuse to at least observe during the dissections.
However, I

have an incoming student for next fall who has made it clear that she
would be unwilling to dissect animals.

Do you make exceptions?  If so how do you determine who is allowed to be

exempt and how are they held responsible for the material they miss
during the dissections?

Thanks for your input,

Amy Troyer
Lancaster General College of Nursing 

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